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Mr.Interrupt · Jul 07, 2006, 07:26 PM // 19:26

ANET has taken steps to reward positive gameplay in case you haven't realized. I'm not sure if it is going to be as affective as they are hoping but the Scribe is there to promote good ethics in gameplay. By mentioning helpfuls you are creating positive reinforcement to the community whenever they do something good. If there were more things like this it would be really good for the community. Maybe even a rating system where you could /vote someone when they did something good (you can only /vote a person once) and they could get a title for it like "Helpful" or "Community Leader" or something. This probably would be farmed but it could also promote alot of legit work on the part of people towards making life better for the all.

*note: The best way to work the /vote would be to make it so each person only gets like 3 /votes a month or something and definately so you can't vote for yourself...

Meo Yeong · Jul 07, 2006, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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Originally Posted by Smoke

And "everyone" should know that, as "everyone" watches South Park...

still offensive..

Only those that don't know where it comes from or understand the comedy in it would find that offensive which is based off of assumptions into their meaning of their statements and not having the knowledge of where it came from. So, basicaly its based off of an opinion. I really don't think its anything to fuss over. Also I remeber the user agreement where it asked if you where a certain age or not when loading the game so I think this comedy is allowable (my opinion!!) for the age group that is suppose to be playing this game.

Anyways some people will find something offensive that others don't. Now all they have to do is to agree to disagree and just worry about themselves. I can understand saying you don't like something but to try and force an opinion on an other is wrong.

Boofhead · Jul 07, 2006, 07:43 PM // 19:43

Stop making a big deal out of poor behaviour in-game, and poor behaviour in-game stops being a big deal.

Eet GnomeSmasher · Jul 07, 2006, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by Boofhead

Stop making a big deal out of poor behaviour in-game, and poor behaviour in-game stops being a big deal.

Problems arent solved by ignoring them, stop telling people that. If they want to clean up some unacceptable behaviour then let them. But yeah sometimes you just have to let go.

Erasculio · Jul 07, 2006, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by Eviance

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I have found in my "reportings" that the only time it gets taken seriously is if someone impersonates a GM. Every other time it was handled by a computer and I put that person on my list and left them there for several weeks... Nothing was done... The person impersonating the GM was either banned or something because within a few days he was no longer on my list

It's not "handled by a computer" - it's just that always, after sending a ticket, you get an automatic answer (that is given by a computer), and later an answer by one of the GMs (not only they give you their names, but also NC Soft used to send you an e-mail, later, asking you how did the GM work; that has been turned off for some time now).

(If you don't want to believe in me, Gaile said so herself.)

Also, keep in mind that there is a difference between offensive behavior and impersonating an Arena Net (or NC Soft) employer. The later has been mentioned as being ground for imediate banning - the former isn't, and it's something I doubt to be done on the first time a person is reported for being offensive.

If anything, this makes reporting even more important - if someone isn't banned for the first violation, unless someone reports the second one, that person is likely going to get away with a small punishment.

(Anyway, this isn't done by Arena Net - this is done by NC Soft employers. I don't think Arena Net has any GM itself - the Game Credit kinda hints at that, too.)

Erasculio

NJudson · Jul 07, 2006, 10:03 PM // 22:03

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Originally Posted by Flip99

I would propose that Anet offer 'GW-Platinum' for say.. $15 per month. Then, those of us who want a more mature experiance, and can afford it.. can segregate ourselves from the masses who play-for-free and behave in any manner that they choose, without consequence. So, offer the no-fee version as-is, and also offer a pay-to-play version with active "Moderators" who deal with the silly stuff !! Great game , infested with nasty people... such a Pity.

While this is a noble suggestion, I don't foresee that being a "guarantee" to provide a more mature experience. It probably would help reduce the bad behavior, but I'm sure all the little Bobby's out there will beg mommy and daddy till they're blue in the face for a paid account. Lord knows there's probably plenty of immature kids, etc that would still get on a paid account. Also, I know there are a lot of people in the game that have specifically chosen to play GW over games like WoW because of the lack of monthly subscription fee. Playing in a monthly fee GW would probably make it very difficult to get into groups and such because they number of people willing to pay would surely be much less than the non-pay. Anyway, good idea though....just not sure it would work very well.

Meo Yeong · Jul 07, 2006, 10:41 PM // 22:41

Plus I wouldnt pay $15 a month for a very lacking game environment per month. If that was the case i would go back to evercrack or go do D&D online that way I got my money worth from the game. Guild wars could never account for a $15 fee per month. For anet to get a $15 dollar fee in my opinion they would need this.

-1 vs 1 battles wherever you like by having a /duel command
-more storage
-slots for every chracter type
-non linear pathway along with swimming and jumping and levitation
-search functions for searching where people are and what guild mates are on and such for searching other guilds then your own
-more pve content, and I mean a lot more
-more equipment like rings, earnings and armor slots
-more levels
-more skills that arnt copies of the original ones
-actual pve guild raids/content
-quests for like example epic weapons or whatever they wish to call it
-fishing
-crafting

i could keep on going on and on

thus why this game is free lol

Goonter · Jul 07, 2006, 10:54 PM // 22:54

Because it pertains to this and I’m not sure if it’s been overviewed by all the debaters here:

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The following rules govern basic interaction within the Guild Wars game and the Guild Wars websites. Please be aware that failure to comply with these rules of conduct may result in the termination of your Guild Wars game account according to the Guild Wars User Agreement.

In addition to these rules of conduct, explicit rules affecting your account may be found in the Guild Wars User Agreement.

1. While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players.

2. You may not post or communicate any player's real world information (name, address, account name, etc.) through the Guild Wars game or on the official Guild Wars website.

3. You may not use sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive language.

4. You may not post or link to any sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive imagery or content.

5. When communicating in Guild Wars using Global Chat (including, without limitation, server wide chat and use of the whisper command), you may not spam, flood, or make duplicate posts. For more information, please see the User Agreement section 4 (j).

4 (j) In Guild Wars, characters have the privilege of sending server wide messages called 'Chat Messages.' With this privilege comes a high level of responsibility on the part of the user. Due to the fact that this communication channel has the ability to impact every player on the server, NC Interactive will not tolerate any inappropriate behavior of any sort in this chat channel. This includes but is not limited to: inappropriate language of any sort or any attempt to escape the profanity filter, inappropriate or vulgar content of any sort, repeated 'spamming,' or 'flooding' of the chat messages channel, or any other conduct determined to be inappropriate by NC Interactive Support, in its sole discretion. Any violation of this term or rules of conduct may, in the sole discretion of NC Interactive, lead to the temporary removal of the character's ability to communicate, the account being suspended for a set period of time, or lead to permanent account closure.

6. You may not impersonate any employee of ArenaNet Inc., NC Interactive, Inc., NCsoft Corporation or their affiliates.

7. You may not violate any local, state, national, or international laws or regulations.

8. You may not market, promote, advertise, or solicit within the Guild Wars game or on the official Guild Wars websites.

9. You may not modify any part of the Guild Wars Client, Server, or any part of the official Guild Wars websites.

10. You may not advertise the intent to or commit the act of buying, selling, trading, sharing, or transferring access to any Guild Wars account.

11. You may not advertise the intent to or commit the act of buying or selling items for cash or trading items from one server to another.

12. You may not arrange for the exchange or transfer of any pirated or illegal software while using the Guild Wars game or website.

13. You will follow the instructions of authorized personnel while in Guild Wars or on the official Guild Wars website.

14. You may not organize nor be a member of any pledges or groups within Guild Wars that are based on or espouse any racist, sexist, anti-religious, anti-ethnic, anti-gay, or other hate mongering philosophies.

15. You may not provide false information or intentionally hide any information when registering for your Guild Wars account.

16. You may not upload or transmit on Guild Wars or the official Guild Wars websites any copyrighted or trademarked content to which you do not own all rights without the express written permission of the author or the copyright or trademark holder.

17. You will not attempt to interfere with, hack into, or decipher any transmissions to or from the servers running Guild Wars.

18. You will not exploit any bug in Guild Wars and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Guild Wars. Bugs should be promptly reported via "Ask a Question" at http://support.guildwars.com.

19. You will not attempt to play Guild Wars on any server that is not controlled or authorized by NC Interactive or its designees.

20. You will not create, use, or provide any server emulator or other site where Guild Wars may be played, and you will not post or distribute any utilities, emulators or other software tools related to Guild Wars without the express written permission of NC Interactive.

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Conduct Breaches and Outcomes
The whole reason for having a Rules of Conduct is to make sure that the game world is a pleasant place to be. If you've read the Rules, you will note that they are simply common sense guidelines for appropriate behavior. They contain restrictions on bad language and in-game behavior, and on inappropriate names that may be rude, crude, or socially unacceptable. They contain protections for you, so your privacy is maintained, and for us, as developer and publisher of Guild Wars, so that the integrity of the game is preserved.

There is more to conduct breaches and outcomes. Just check the link to get the best understanding.

If I had checked this earlier I would have modified my original idea better. This is, to me, a fair system.

Effective? Apparently not as of yet. Maybe with a large and newly motivated group of community nanny’s and a responsive support group from Anet it can be.

As cool as I like to think my suggestion was, (soft but lasting deterrents by likely manager presence and peer pressure in instant reaction time) the issue comes down to time and resources and Anet seems to not have a lot of that. Although, I still in favor of a kick proposal as some ones team efforts may not breach Anets guidelines but still cases players’ grief.

Perhaps what its likely to come down to for a real and recognizable fix is, like I said, a committed group of dedicated community watchdogs, or Anet to crank down (if necessary because we really don’t know what number of reports they get and what they respond to), or both.

Then perhaps a lasting change will actually come down to each individual player’s since of responsibility. I wish I could take bets. This will be a looong process of change if ever one. Lucky i guess that this is game community for this likely plan of action.

I have been going with the personal fix (and the highly suggested it seems) of thick skin and/or ignoring stuff. And though that doesn’t solve anything, it’s an easy subjective solution.

But because I can be so indifferent I will at least make my new personal mission to try help to others seek justice to their offences by talking them through this process while in game. This is more than I’ve done before.

echo envitas · Jul 07, 2006, 11:17 PM // 23:17

Wow great post Goonter. Thank you for posting the rules here, that proves that what we are complaining about IS a breach of the EULA.

What you said below it though was very thoughtful and honest. I'm coming from the same place actually. I've held to a policy of being think-skinned and ignoring it all, and like you, because I've been so indifferent, I'm trying to do just alittle bit now.

/Applaud

majoho · Jul 07, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

It's the internet people ARE going to be assholes, it's a scientific fact

Cjlr · Jul 08, 2006, 12:22 AM // 00:22

I was worried at first that this thread would be just another coprolite someone dug up, but I checked the first post and it said "yesterday". Of course, that's not actually better at all...

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Originally Posted by majoho

It's the internet people ARE going to be assholes, it's a scientific fact

No, it's not a scientific fact. It's a scientific likelihood, but far from a fact. For example:

Some people are not assholes. Some people are not going to be assholes. Some people have never been assholes.

But how often do you notice them?

I can quietly enter a town, hit the merchant, hit the Xunlai, order up some Henchmen, and hit the road. That's fun, although not as much as working with other people. But when I do that, it's silent. If I do the same thing but pick up a group through Guild or Alliance chat, it's still silent to the town's population. Nobody will notice, nobody will care, and nobody will be improving their gaming experience anytime soon. It won't deteriorate, but it won't improve.

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Originally Posted by Goonter

The EULA

I was waiting for someone to post that.

While it is against the rules to "defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players", "use sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive language", and equally to "organize nor be a member of any pledges or groups within Guild Wars that are based on or espouse any racist, sexist, anti-religious, anti-ethnic, anti-gay, or other hate mongering philosophies" the odds are that even if you do, nothing will happen to you.

Without a consequence to actions both positive and negative, society cannot function. As a small-scale model an MMORPG functions the same way. If "good behavior" gains the End User nothing more than would asshatery and shitcockery of the highest degree, that little voice in the bowels of your cerebellum pipes up, "why not?" A cynic would say that it's inevitable.

Hurricane Katrina destroyed huge swaths of Louisiana. In the aftermath, New Orleans was, and in places still is, completely lawless. Littering, latering, loitering, and lootering as far as the eye can see. Why? Because the social order broke down. There were no consequences for "negative" actions.

The internet is the same way. There are no consequences. If there are, then they are few and far between. For better or for worse, that is how it stands as of now. There's no real reason it should be that way other than the fact that that is what happens when nothing happens.

Mai · Jul 08, 2006, 01:30 AM // 01:30

You get what you pay for. This is one of the consequences of having no monthly fees, it attracts idiots like flies to trash.

grikdog · Jul 08, 2006, 01:39 AM // 01:39

I think that positive peer pressure helps. We should stand up and call people on bad behavior. In my experience I have found that when several people call someone on inappropriate conduct in a nonconfrontational way that allows the other person to save some face it often helps.

Sure this isnt going to foce someone to stop but my experience of this game is that most of the people are good people and willing to help.

There are always going to be people who get a thrill out of being vulgar and rude --- face it the main demographic for this game I believe is teenage boys. Not a group necessarily known for selfcontrol and clean language.

Nobody is going to find the game fun if ANET ran it with some sort of Iron Fist.

And ANET does ban people. Send screen shots with the location date and time and they will look into it. I have resorted to this on occasion.

Erasculio · Jul 08, 2006, 02:28 AM // 02:28

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Originally Posted by Meo Yeong

-1 vs 1 battles wherever you like by having a /duel command
-more storage
-slots for every chracter type
-non linear pathway along with swimming and jumping and levitation
-search functions for searching where people are and what guild mates are on and such for searching other guilds then your own
-more pve content, and I mean a lot more
-more equipment like rings, earnings and armor slots
-more levels
-more skills that arnt copies of the original ones
-actual pve guild raids/content
-quests for like example epic weapons or whatever they wish to call it
-fishing
-crafting

i could keep on going on and on

thus why this game is free lol

Typical, "lol".

You don't want GW - all of the features above are seen in WoW and the classic MMORPGs. What you don't get (despite how the game has been released two years ago) is that GW isn't the poor man's MMORPG - it's a different game, with a different mentality. The fact that there isn't a monthly fee isn't an excuse for a lack of content - it's the other way around, the lack of a monthly fee means the game may not have the thousands of time sinks that other MMORPGs have. Do you want Fishing, to spend hours doing nothing as you wait for your skill to go from 1 to 50, so it can go from 50 to 100, and then from 100 to 150, etc, until you're at 500 and then you can do something cool? To spend hours killing level 1 bunnies while you're level 1, so you can level up faster to level 100 and kill level 100 bunnies? To grind for equipment that destroy the PvE balance? All of those are against GW philosophy - one that you don't understand, it seems.

One of the plagues of GW are the players who would be rather playing WoW but, for one reason or the other, can't play it. GW is not WoW for free, it's not EQ for free - it is a different game, and it has meant to be different. If you would rather have something else, well, maybe it's not the game for you.

Erasculio

Benandorf · Jul 08, 2006, 02:33 AM // 02:33

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Originally Posted by Chad

Two things. First of all, the bad behavior in Guild Wars is not as bad as you make it seem. Secondly, these jerks, scammers, etc. have been here since day one. They'll exist in ANY online game you'll EVER play. Unless you're brand new to this game, I'm surprised you just now noticed them.

Exactally.

Though, of course, with games that have no montly fee, people are more of jerks. Take any free MMO, and if the player base is large a lot of the people will be jerks.

Meo Yeong · Jul 08, 2006, 01:45 PM // 13:45

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Originally Posted by Erasculio

Typical, "lol".

You don't want GW - all of the features above are seen in WoW and the classic MMORPGs. What you don't get (despite how the game has been released two years ago) is that GW isn't the poor man's MMORPG - it's a different game, with a different mentality. The fact that there isn't a monthly fee isn't an excuse for a lack of content - it's the other way around, the lack of a monthly fee means the game may not have the thousands of time sinks that other MMORPGs have. Do you want Fishing, to spend hours doing nothing as you wait for your skill to go from 1 to 50, so it can go from 50 to 100, and then from 100 to 150, etc, until you're at 500 and then you can do something cool? To spend hours killing level 1 bunnies while you're level 1, so you can level up faster to level 100 and kill level 100 bunnies? To grind for equipment that destroy the PvE balance? All of those are against GW philosophy - one that you don't understand, it seems.

One of the plagues of GW are the players who would be rather playing WoW but, for one reason or the other, can't play it. GW is not WoW for free, it's not EQ for free - it is a different game, and it has meant to be different. If you would rather have something else, well, maybe it's not the game for you.

Erasculio

Oh I know what I am talking about being I have played most of the rpg online and non online dating back before commodore 64 lol.

1. sure I want gw or I would have never bought it.

2. Yes GW is the poor man's rpg or for the person that doesn't want to pay a monthly fee. I myself are in the later that I don't want to pay a monthly fee anymore due to I don't play enough to get my money's worth anymore.

3. Lack of a fee is the reason why there is less content. The more content anet adds the more servers and space they will require thus raising the price of the game. I know this as a fact since I am a qualified network adminstrator with cisco and nortel certification. Thus, why we don't have the storage alot of people want, why we dont have non linear maps along with many of the other stuff that yes you see in other rpg's but people would like to see in this game.

4. Now fishing! Why not? With all the new titles could be easily implemented and I know for a fact that anet themselves could do it just based off the last dragon festivities and the gambling so they have a random number system. Just put some ponds in some of the bigger cities or even the smaller ones lie Toa which in the case of toa has the march right there and make it that that you get title points for the fish you catch and maybe the size of them.

5. Now as for the levels I really don't think if every expansion they added an other 10 levels would really affect pvp since every one would go get the same exact skills and get their lvl 30 and the game would still be balanced. Basically what I feel is that it would give teh game a feel of accomplishment for some and give people like myself a few more days of game play leveling up. Now previous characters would propbably get those 10 levels just going through the new content but the new character classes would be more of a challenge since now they would be lvl 30 and then next expansion they would have to get 40. Its just an idea and an opinion.

6. Now grinding for equipment. You could easily implement some quests that in the end gives you an item that would not screw up the balance of the game which you seem to be so worried about lol and have an item like a staff that is named after yourself , customized that maybe could be Red item and came with a certain based stat and could be modded or not modded. That would be up to anet. Again just an idea.

7. I also don't see how any of my other ideas screw with the balance of the game. Easier 1 vs 1 battles and such would be great.

Now back to the point I made in my original post. It isn't that I want an other game. It was just features I said you would need to make this a fee game. I also didnt state that these features need to be added again just an opinion on what I think would need to be added to charge a monthly fee and thus why I said the game is free now.

Finally I am quite aware of the game and how it works thank you and I am not against the GW philosophy. Again what was stated in prior post is what we call in the real world an opinion in which everyone is allowed and it does not mean in your words "one that you don't understand, it seems" . since I do understand and I think you need to read what was also posted above and why I said I wouldn't pay a fee since it seems it is you that does not understand.

Let me recap it for you. Person A said put a fee that way could get rid of the childishness and such and what I am saying is that I wouldn't pay a fee unless they added the content worth paying a fee. For $15 a month I can go play D&D online or everquest 2 and have way more content and features then what guildwars can provide now. Now that is why I made that post to show why anet could never implement a fee because those features would have to be added to justify a fee in ths game in which I am well aware of and most likely never happened in which I am not worried about. I am 98% sure that if a fee was added to this game that guild wars would fall apart and loose many other people that would go look for an other free game or if forced to pay a fee would go pay a fee for a game with way more content which was the whole point.

Now your final note of "well, maybe it's not the game for you" . I have been hearing this way to much and seeing it all over guru and in my opinion is a pathetic comment. Just because people would like to see things implemented in a game doesn't mean the game isnt for me or that I wouldn't pay a fee for a game since it lacks the content doesn't mean the game isnt for me. Again just opinion. Overall I am happy with guildwars even though Factions was way to short. I already have 4 characters through factions in which one beat all quests and one beat all missions and is protector. I own all armor that I would like to own which is basically a couple suits of armor per each of my characters and I have all weapons I want other then a couple I want to build eventually for the fun of it but not in dire need of now. I have mils saved up in gp so this is why I would like something like fishing to spend my time doing while I am waiting for people to go quest or just talking to people. Basically all there is left for me in this game is pvp (which I am not a huge fan of and have more fun doing random arenas but occasionally go do halls and happy with my r3 emote lol since bambi is COOL) or I could go farm in which I don't need any items or money at this point.

Which leads to my final point. Most likely and I assume based off my own circumstances that it is the rich people in game (that didn't ebay) that have every thing done multiple times that are the people that would like to see some other stuff added since probably gone thru the game 4+ times and you can only pvp so much before you get bored and want to do something else.

Hmm yeah I dont understand lol :P :P

P.S. if you are going to quote me at least quote my whole post which even stated that if there was a fee I would go play the other games for the content in the first section "Plus I wouldnt pay $15 a month for a very lacking game environment per month. If that was the case I would go back to evercrack or go do D&D online that way I got my money worth from the game. Guild wars could never account for a $15 fee per month. For anet to get a $15 dollar fee in my opinion they would need this. "

Rent · Jul 08, 2006, 02:26 PM // 14:26

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Originally Posted by Meo Yeong

a bunch of crap

Suggesting to add all those features to GW is like suggesting to add flamethrowers to NASCAR. It doesn't fit.

Edit: But whoa this is pretty offtopic! This should probably be taken to a different thread or better yet forgotten because it's dumb!

Meo Yeong · Jul 08, 2006, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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Originally Posted by Rent

Suggesting to add all those features to GW is like suggesting to add flamethrowers to NASCAR. It doesn't fit.

Edit: But whoa this is pretty offtopic! This should probably be taken to a different thread or better yet forgotten because it's dumb!

Actually it was on topic.

And yep I know guild wars is this way but It was just a point that if they tried to add 15 dollar fee then they would have to add all that content since I highly doubt anyone would pay for such low content when they can pay that price for a game with same content plus way way more which was the whole point.

This is why guildwars will always be free and lacking in content which was my whole point.

And they where not suggestions but point just being made for why there is no fee.

If anet charged a fee they would not be able to keep up with the compettion of the other fee based games with their current content.

And for being off topic I am not since someone suggested that their would be a fee to get rid of the jerks and thus why I said why it would never happen.

Rent · Jul 08, 2006, 06:00 PM // 18:00

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Originally Posted by Meo Yeong

a bunch more crap

No. It doesn't fit. Those features don't belong in Guild Wars, they belong where they can be found--in an MMO. I'm very glad GW isn't an MMO, because that's one of the reasons I play it.

Meo Yeong · Jul 08, 2006, 06:09 PM // 18:09

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Originally Posted by Rent

No. It doesn't fit. Those features don't belong in Guild Wars, they belong where they can be found--in an MMO. I'm very glad GW isn't an MMO, because that's one of the reasons I play it.

Hmm yeah what I am saying is a bunch of crap. Pretty ignorant to sit there and in the quote say I am saying crap since its just opinion. Sorry kid but what you're yapping is really the crap and I think your just in here to start a flame war because really you need to learn how to read lol.

The point your making is the point I am exactly making but based on the fee and thus why there will never be a fee.

Like you said the features don't fit thus shouldn't be added (unless of course they add a fee then those features would fit because I know for a fact its all based on end cost, business 101). That is what I am saying about the fee. It works both ways. They bring features they maybe charge fee or if they bring fee then they need to add features which is not this game. And if you take time to read my first post at the begining and at the end where it says thus why the game is free.

Btw your the type of jerks they are talking about wanting removed from the game just based of f the fact of how ignorant you are with the quotes and opinions of others.